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Katie: Good day and welcome to The Wellness Mama Podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com, and this episode is all about metabolic dysfunction as the foundation reason behind practically all illnesses and classes from the most important glucose information set on the planet. And I’m again with return visitor Dr. Casey Means, who’s a Stanford-trained doctor and the CMO and Co-Founding father of the metabolic well being firm known as Ranges. Her mission is to maximise human potential and reverse the epidemic of preventable continual illness by empowering people with tech-enabled instruments that may inform sensible, personalised, and sustainable dietary and life-style selections. Her perspective has been featured in every thing from Wall Avenue Journal to the New York Instances and far, way more.

And we get to go deep on this matter in the present day. She actually explains tremendous comprehensively what metabolic dysfunction is and the markers that go into that. The 5 only and least costly exams you will get to get image of what’s happening metabolically in your physique, how glucose is an effective metric right here as nicely, and easy methods to use it to your benefit, and a lot extra. We speak about very actionable takeaways that everybody can do even with out the info to start out enhancing metabolic well being, in addition to what to do if you’ll be able to get extra personalised information by yourself physicality and what’s happening and easy methods to use that to your benefit. She is so well-spoken and such a wealth of information. And like I mentioned, we get to go deep on loads of this in the present day. So, with none additional wait, let’s soar in with Dr. Casey Means. Casey, welcome again. Thanks for returning to the podcast.

Casey: I’m so pleased to be right here. Thanks for having me, Katie.

Katie: Nicely, I’ll hyperlink to our first dialog for anybody who hasn’t heard it already, however I do know we obtained to go deep on the subject of glucose, particularly in blood glucose, what we will be taught from it. And I’m excited to construct on that dialog with all the new info accessible. I do know you guys have an amazing dataset that I imagine is the most important on the planet on this matter. And there’s a lot we will use this actionable information to essentially impression our lives in a optimistic approach. To start out off, I do know that one of many questions I requested in prep for interviews is if you happen to had been going to offer a TED Discuss in per week, what would it not be on? And I like your reply since you talked about how underpowered cells, or principally metabolic dysfunction, is commonly the foundation of practically all illness within the trendy world. And I do know that is why you’re so passionate in regards to the work that you simply’re doing with Ranges, however I’d love to make use of that as a jumping-in level for our dialog in the present day. In the event you might clarify a little bit background by what you imply by that, and perhaps a number of the components that come into play with metabolic dysfunction and the way that may exhibit in numerous methods in our lives.

Casey: Yeah, completely. So, the message that I actually… My objective in life actually to get throughout to folks is this concept that so most of the issues we’re scuffling with in our world in the present day, within the trendy industrial Western world, so most of the ache factors dealing with our lives and the signs that now we have that then result in extra severe circumstances down the street are basically all linked by the identical physiology, which is this concept of underpowered cells, basically metabolic dysfunction.

We’ve been listening to much more about this idea of metabolism and metabolic well being, metabolic dysfunction, blood sugar management over the previous couple of years, and it’s for good cause. And it’s as a result of what we’re actually studying is that the important thing causes of morbidity and mortality in the USA in adults for positive, however even now extra so in kids, is metabolic dysfunction. And so, metabolism is how we convert meals vitality to mobile vitality in our our bodies. We’ve 37 plus trillion cells in our physique, and all of those trillions of cells each second collectively are doing trillions and trillions of chemical reactions. And principally, our life and our well being is the effervescent up of all of those chemical reactions. And all of them principally should be paid for. All these chemical reactions should be paid for with mobile vitality.

And zooming again to highschool biology, that mobile vitality is ATP. It’s this molecule that principally is how we pay for all these mobile reactions. And that vitality, that mobile vitality, is comprised of meals being transformed to mobile vitality. And this idea of metabolic dysfunction principally is that we’re having an issue proper now in our our bodies changing that meals vitality to mobile vitality, which implies that we principally have underpowered cells. The explanation that’s the foundation of so many circumstances that we see in the present day that typically appear totally different, prefer it’s typically, you realize, it’s complicated to be like, nicely, how is Alzheimer’s dementia basically the identical or just like kind 2 diabetes or infertility or erectile dysfunction or stroke or coronary heart illness or retinopathy or continual kidney illness or continual liver illness or gout or melancholy or anxiousness. Nicely, the truth is all these circumstances we all know now are both brought on by or accelerated by underpowered cells metabolic dysfunction. So, the explanation for that is that now we have over 200 cell varieties in our physique. And what’s attention-grabbing is that each one these cells, after all, got here from one cell, a fertilized embryo, and was 200 totally different cell varieties. And that’s cell varieties in our eyes, cell varieties in our brains, cell varieties in our blood vessels, there’s all these totally different cells, however all of them want vitality to perform correctly. And so, when you might have a basic downside occurring all around the physique, a very core basic physiologic challenge like metabolic dysfunction, basically the issue in changing meals vitality to mobile vitality, it may possibly seem like virtually something relying on what cell kind it’s displaying up in. So, if it’s occurring in a blood vessel, it might seem like a blood vessel associated challenge like coronary heart illness or stroke. If it’s occurring in a mind cell, relying on what kind of mind cell that’s, it might seem like Alzheimer’s dementia, fibromyalgia, melancholy, anxiousness, migraine, all circumstances we all know are linked to metabolic dysfunction. If it’s occurring in ovarian theca cell, it might seem like polycystic ovarian syndrome, the main reason behind infertility in the USA, which is a metabolic illness. If it’s occurring in a blood vessel of a penis, it might seem like erectile dysfunction. So principally, it’s a core physiology, a disturbance displaying up in all these totally different cell varieties, trying like all these totally different illnesses. However what we basically want to comprehend is that these are branches of the identical trunk. And in medication in America in the present day, now we have to start out treating the trunk of the tree versus what we’re doing proper now, which is actually taking part in whack-a-mole with all these totally different branches. And we’re probably not getting very far.

And so, we’re coping with this huge challenge proper now in the USA the place folks, Individuals, are getting sicker yearly. Power illness charges are going up for nearly each main illness yearly. And that is despite the truth that we’re spending extra money on healthcare yearly as people and as a rustic. We’re spending over $4 trillion on healthcare yearly. That quantity is astronomical. It’s 20% of the most important GDP in all the world in human historical past. And as we spend extra, illness charges are going up, and life expectancy goes down. So that’s the definition of it, principally an ineffective method and an unsustainable method. And so, my actual thesis that I really feel that’s actually my goal to share and why it will be my TED Discuss is as a result of I believe the explanation we’re seeing these dynamics is as a result of we’re basically approaching the unsuitable downside. We’re basically approaching every illness as if it’s a separate siloed factor when actually needing to give attention to the foundation trigger and the factor that connects these illnesses, which is metabolic dysfunction.

And it’s one thing that, up till lately, we haven’t actually been in a position, we haven’t actually recognized it as a result of the science has come a good distance over the previous 50 to 100 years. We used to have the ability to characterize illnesses primarily based on the signs that emerge. And naturally, if you happen to’re taking a look at signs as a method to outline illness, sure, liver illness seems to be totally different than Alzheimer’s illness, and that appears totally different than gout. So, after all, we deal with it otherwise. However now by means of genomics and cell signaling evaluation and proteomics and all these items that we’ve form of, we now are in a position to actually see contained in the cell extra on a analysis stage. We now know that there’s really this core physiology that’s resulting in loads of these trendy illnesses. And we have to principally modernize the way in which that we deal with primarily based on that understanding. However it’s fairly extensively recognized that it takes virtually 20 years for analysis understanding to make it into medical observe. And we’re in that messy center proper now the place the science is best understood, however we’re not treating that approach. We’re nonetheless treating reactively the signs, and that should change. So, sufferers, I believe, want to essentially empower themselves to grasp this unifying metabolic concept of illness and work to each perceive and enhance their metabolism in order that they will have their very best well being and thrive.

Katie: Yeah, I agree. It’s so necessary. And this alteration that we’re seeing in healthcare and the way folks, such as you talked about, we’re getting sicker annually regardless of placing extra money assets towards this, regardless of rising consciousness even in some methods about this. And for me, studying the statistic that, for the primary time in two centuries, the present era of youngsters may have a shorter life expectancy than their mother and father was so staggering. That was a big a part of why I began with Wellness Mama and why I’ve been on this world for 15 years now could be as a result of that stat to me is unacceptable for our youngsters. And I really feel just like the work you guys are doing can be very impactful in serving to change that statistic, particularly now with, as we talked about in our first episode, there’s higher entry to issues like wearable information, to understanding our glucose, to having the ability to run labs, even when we don’t have a health care provider who’s completely aligned in our space. There’s a lot entry, but additionally that may turn out to be overwhelming if you get information however you don’t essentially know easy methods to make it actionable. So, I like that you simply guys are placing all these items in place to make information actually actionable for folks. And I’d like to delve into that as a result of I do know you’re additionally now in a position to take a look at biomarkers in a really particular approach in methods which can be very impactful, particularly when paired with glucose to create measurable modifications in folks. So, I’d love so that you can break down at what you’re discovering on the biomarker stage and what folks can be taught from that information that they’re in a position to now get individually.

Casey: Completely. So, you realize, our mission at Ranges is to reverse the metabolic illness epidemic. And that’s why we began the corporate. Our actual perception is that to reverse this monumental pattern we’re seeing in metabolic dysfunction, the 1st step is folks want to grasp their very own stage of metabolic well being, after which they’ve to grasp easy methods to enhance it. And sadly, loads of that’s not coming from the medical doctors for the explanations we talked about. We’re simply behind. An unbelievable statistic is that, however that has basically been proven in two unbiased analysis research over the previous 4 years, is that over 90% of American adults now have at the least one biomarker of metabolic dysfunction. That was 88% about 5 years in the past. After which, as of analysis from a couple of yr in the past, that’s gone as much as 93.2%. And so, this isn’t a fringe challenge. That is affecting virtually everybody. What’s so, I believe, necessary for each individual is to determine if they’ve any biomarkers of metabolic dysfunction that they want to concentrate on. And so, what we’re doing at Ranges is aiming to democratize entry to that information as a result of it may be typically really feel like pulling tooth inside the healthcare system to try to get scraps of data. However my perception is basically that everybody strolling round ought to be capable to say with certitude, I’m or I’m not metabolically wholesome, and I do know what I must do by way of my eating regimen and life-style to work on this and to get this in the suitable path.

So, we do that in two methods at Ranges, each of which I believe are actually necessary and which I hope the healthcare system will undertake as a part of mainstream. One is blood-based biomarkers. So, these are single time level measurements that get drawn out of your blood that principally let you know a really clear snapshot of a pillar second in time, that is how I’m doing with metabolic well being. After which the second piece of data that we give entry to is steady glucose monitoring. In order that’s a sensor that you simply put on on the again of your arm that tells you really, 24 hours a day, seven days per week, what’s occurring along with your blood sugar ranges. And the blood sugar ranges are an awesome real-time biomarker as a result of they’re a readout of how your metabolic well being is, as a result of in case your metabolic well being is dysfunctional, in case your cells are having problem principally with that food-to-cellular vitality conversion course of, then what’s going to occur is that the cell is actually going to dam glucose from coming into it as a result of it’s basically overburdened. It may well’t try this course of effectively of changing meals vitality like sugar to ATP. So, the cell blocks the entry of glucose, of sugar into the cell. That’s insulin resistance. And blood sugar ranges will rise.

And so, blood sugar is that this wonderful biomarker that may inform us like a readout of whether or not there’s issues with metabolism within the physique. And by monitoring glucose in real-time on this extra steady movie-like approach, you can begin to see which meals and which life-style habits are both inflicting huge swings and fluctuation in glucose or holding it extra secure. And finally, we need to maintain it extra secure and in a low and wholesome vary as a result of that’s an indication that metabolic well being is being supported. And so, combining these pillar blood-based biomarkers to offer you a way of that is how I’m doing total by way of my studying the tea leaves of metabolic well being with my blood-based biomarkers. After which a real-time device like a glucose monitor that’s supplying you with real-time biofeedback on particular person decision-making to maneuver in the suitable path. These two collectively, I believe, are basically transformational in each understanding the place you stand and understanding easy methods to enhance.

So, by way of blood-based biomarkers, there’s plenty of totally different exams that may give you want a clue of metabolic well being. The best way I have a look at it’s that there’s in all probability like eight to 12 exams that collectively a very seasoned metabolic health-focused physician might have a look at all of them together and once more, like learn the tea leaves and kind of, so I’d say like that record can be fasting glucose, hemoglobin A1C, fasting insulin, triglycerides, HDL ldl cholesterol, uric acid, ApoB, hs-CRP, an inflammatory marker, and positively liver perform exams. So, like AST and ALT. And there’s one other check I actually like known as GGT, which is a liver perform check that truly tells you about oxidative stress. So, if you happen to may give me, like, after which having blood strain, not a blood check, however blood strain and waist circumference as nicely, these may give you one other sense. However these 10 exams or so collectively, when you’ve got all of them and may have a look at all of them collectively, you may just about say whether or not somebody’s obtained an issue with metabolism or not. What we did at Ranges is we took 5 of these exams, which is insulin, ApoB, triglycerides, uric acid, and hemoglobin A1C, and we labored with our medical advisory board to say like, okay, with these 5 exams, you will get a very clear sign of like, whether or not there’s issues with metabolism. And I’m pleased to speak by means of the exams like briefly individually if that may be useful.

Katie: Yeah, let’s try this briefly as a result of I’d guess most individuals have heard of these exams, or at the least most of them. However I believe the relevance to metabolic well being is basically necessary to focus on. And a few of them will not be widespread on loads of simply panels that somebody maybe has had run earlier than by a health care provider.

Casey: Yeah, yeah. So, I’ll begin with fasting insulin. So fasting insulin, I’d say, might be crucial metabolic well being you will get. If somebody mentioned you must get one check, I’d say it will be fasting insulin. The explanation for that, so insulin is the hormone that’s launched when blood sugar rises. Insulin principally binds to the floor of a cell to the insulin receptor after which permits glucose to enter the cell in order that it may be processed by means of the mitochondria into vitality. If there’s extra, that glucose will typically be saved as fats. We talked a little bit bit about this, however when the cell is overburdened, and the cell has metabolic dysfunction, which usually means the mitochondria is struggling to maintain up with the inflow of glucose and convert it to vitality, the cell will put a block up known as insulin resistance, which basically blocks that insulin sign from permitting glucose into the cell as a result of the cell is overburdened. The cell can’t course of extra of that glucose, so it blocks it from coming in, and that glucose will then rise within the bloodstream.

So, the explanation fasting insulin is such a beneficial check is as a result of it’s basically displaying you from a very early stage that the cells are overburdened. There’s in all probability mitochondrial dysfunction happening. That metabolic conversion course of is just not working correctly, and the cell is placing a block as much as glucose coming into. The best way the physique responds in a short time is by releasing extra insulin into the physique to try to overcome that block. And that appears like rising fasting insulin on a blood check. And the explanation I believe that’s really much more beneficial than testing a fasting glucose stage, the blood sugar, is as a result of the physique really, in releasing that extra insulin to beat insulin resistance, it may possibly really overcompensate for a very long time. And by pumping out plenty of extra insulin, it may possibly really power the cell to push the glucose into the cell, though the cell’s principally saying, we don’t need it, we will’t deal with it. And there’s been attention-grabbing analysis displaying that insulin resistance might be brewing within the physique, and fasting insulin might be rising for over 10 years earlier than fasting glucose rises. And in order that’s a time of compensation the place the physique is principally churning out extra of this hormone, forcing the glucose into the cell earlier than you really see a change within the glucose ranges. In order that’s a window the place we might catch early insulin resistance the place the fasting glucose check is just not going to select it up. Sadly, we don’t check fasting insulin in our typical medical observe. It’s a check you must actually request specifically or get exterior the system. And there’s loads of cause for this, but it surely’s one in all, I believe, the most important blind spots in medication proper now. We’ve obtained a scenario the place 50% of American adults now have pre-diabetes or kind 2 diabetes, that are each circumstances of insulin resistance. And we’re not testing for the earliest marker of insulin resistance. It’s so, so, so unusual. In order that’s one which I’d say ask your physician for it or get it by means of a particular lab exterior the system. It’s crucial.

The vary that, then there’s a second challenge, which is that even if you happen to get the check, loads of the labs will report these ranges which can be actually lenient. And so they’ll principally say on a lab slip that something lower than 25 milli use per milliliter is taken into account regular for a fasting insulin. However primarily based on our greatest evaluation of the analysis and coordinating with our wonderful advisory board of metabolic specialists, it really seems {that a} fasting insulin of about two to 6 is perfect. And actually if you begin getting above like six milli use per milliliter, danger begins going up. So first, you bought to get the check, you then’ve obtained to determine easy methods to interpret the check in a little bit little bit of a tighter vary. However if you happen to can see that your fasting insulin is beneath that six vary, within the two to 6 vary, that’s a very good signal that your cells are metabolically pleased, your physique’s not churning out extra insulin resulting from insulin resistance. And it’s only a actually, actually beneficial sign that your physique is working correctly metabolically. In order that’s fasting insulin.

One other wonderful check that goes hand in hand with that, which is a part of our 5 biomarkers that we’ve chosen as triglycerides. So, triglycerides is a kind of fats within the blood. It’s each a storage type of fats, and it’ll be discovered within the bloodstream that’s created when extra glucose is transformed to fats. So, the physique doesn’t need simply tons and tons of additional glucose floating round. It must put the surplus glucose someplace so it may be transformed to triglycerides and saved in fats cells or present in circulation. And so, triglycerides is one other signal that there’s some downside with how the physique is changing meals vitality to ATP and it’s attempting to place it someplace. So, it places it so if you happen to begin seeing an elevated fasting insulin and an elevated triglycerides, you’re beginning to see a sign that the physique’s overwhelmed and it’s not processing this vitality correctly.

Hemoglobin A1C can be a very beneficial check as a result of that is really a snapshot of extra of like a long-term image of how glucose ranges have been. So, hemoglobin A1C is referring to hemoglobin, which is, after all, a part of the pink blood cell that carries oxygen. How a lot of that molecule within the blood has sugar caught to it principally? So, glycation is the method of sugar sticking to totally different molecules within the physique. And when concentrations of blood sugar are excessive, they’re going to stay to issues extra. And we are not looking for sugar to stay to issues within the physique. It principally creates like rusting of the physique. And so, hemoglobin A1C is actually a share of hemoglobin molecules within the physique which have sugar caught to them. And we don’t need sugar caught to something, actually. So glycated hemoglobin. And in order that’s expressed as a share. The usual ranges say that we wish our share to be lower than 5.7% glycated hemoglobin. That’s the conventional vary. Something above that’s thought-about pre-diabetic. What we really in all probability need optimally is between about 5 and 5.4% of glycated hemoglobin. That’s in all probability the healthiest vary. And so, as a result of pink blood cells stick round within the blood for about 90 to 120 days, this share really provides us a long-term snapshot of common glucose ranges over the course of 90 to 120 days. That’s fairly helpful. It doesn’t give us a lot of a way of what the fluctuations in glucose are day-to-day. That’s what a steady glucose monitor would let you know. However it provides you similar to a world sense of how a lot sugar has been sitting in my bloodstream. So, we wish that share to be decrease.

ApoB is the fourth check that we do. And this can be a actually attention-grabbing check. It’s a part of what we name a complicated ldl cholesterol marker. It’s not usually examined in normal observe. However everybody’s in all probability conversant in the idea of LDL ldl cholesterol, which typically we name dangerous ldl cholesterol. However there’s really, what we actually care about is how a lot ldl cholesterol is floating across the bloodstream that we all know can contribute to coronary heart illness or plaques or blockages within the blood vessels. And that’s really extra than simply LDL. To start with, there’s various kinds of LDL, some which can be extra more likely to promote coronary heart illness and blockages than others. After which there’s these different molecules like intermediate density LDL and VLDL, very low-density LDL. And so, there’s these totally different particles within the bloodstream that we simply don’t speak about in our normal ldl cholesterol panel. ApoB is definitely a protein that wraps round these ldl cholesterol particles when they’re floating by means of the bloodstream. And ApoB is the precise protein that occurs to be on all the guts disease-promoting particles. So, it’ll be on IDL particles or LDL particles. And so, what it does is it principally provides you a extra full image of what number of particles within the bloodstream are atherogenic or principally pro-heart illness. And so, some medical doctors are favoring ApoB as a extra exact check of how most of the true dangerous ldl cholesterol are within the bloodstream and perhaps a greater sign than LDL. In order that’s why we included it on our panel versus simply LDL ldl cholesterol as a result of it’s extra all-encompassing for different varieties of dangerous ldl cholesterol.

After which the final one is uric acid. Uric acid is a very attention-grabbing check. We regularly hear of it in relation to gout, however it’s really a lot extra broadly related than simply for individuals who could or could not undergo from gout. It’s really a vital cardiac and total metabolic marker. And uric acid might be raised in a number of totally different mechanisms. One is definitely a by-product of fructose metabolism. So, we’re consuming astronomically extra fructose as one in all our types of sugars in our eating regimen now than we ever had been in historical past. Excessive fructose corn syrup was invented within the Nineteen Seventies. And since then, individuals are consuming about 3000% extra fructose than we had been previous to the invention of excessive fructose corn syrup. So, we’ve simply had this astronomical rise in such a sugar within the physique, which is inflicting enormous burdening to our methods. And when fructose is damaged down by our cells, one of many byproducts is uric acid. Uric acid can then go on to trigger issues in our cells by really damaging our mitochondria and promote cardiovascular issues by means of a number of totally different mechanisms. So uric acid is a sign of extra fructose within the bloodstream, which we all know is simply deeply metabolically damaging. It additionally might be elevated by what are known as purine-rich meals. And so, these embody animal merchandise like meat, beer, and sure shellfish. And so, excesses in a few of these issues may also result in improve in uric acid. After which alcohol usually can result in will increase in uric acid. However I’d say, usually talking, of the issues which can be contributing to excessive uric acid within the common American, I’d say that the massive consumption of fructose within the type of liquid sugars and sodas, vitality drinks, frappuccinos, processed meals, fructose is now actually all over the place. And in order that’s an enormous contributor to uric acid. In order that’s an indication on a lab check that the eating regimen actually must be like thoughtfully cleaned up. And it’s one that may change quickly with changes in eating regimen.

So these 5 exams collectively may give us an actual sign of how issues are going metabolically within the physique. And I’d say that, these are good to know like each 4 months or so, each quarter principally if you happen to can, as a result of in case you are, to begin with, if you happen to’re staying within the optimum vary for all of those exams, it’s an awesome signal that your cells are powered correctly and the eating regimen that you simply’ve chosen and the approach to life plan that you simply’re following is like working nicely. It’s an awesome confirmatory sign that no matter plan you’re on, it’s working. And that’s actually reassuring. I believe so many people are so confused about, am I consuming the suitable eating regimen? Ought to I be plant-based? Ought to I be carnivore? Ought to I be omnivorous? Like, ought to I do that plan? And it may be so overwhelming. And what I say is, simply check, like check your metabolic biomarkers. And in the event that they’re in an awesome and wholesome vary and also you’re feeling good, you may really feel assured that what you’re doing is working. And in the event that they aren’t in an optimum vary, then that’s an awesome place to begin to make some changes after which retest in a couple of months. And in the event that they’re not shifting in the suitable path, you then in all probability want to alter your plan once more. Prefer it’s actually that easy. I’m on the level the place I refuse to argue about dietary dogma or this, as a result of everybody’s totally different. And actually you simply must know what’s happening in your personal physique after which make constant tweaks and observe them over the course of some and do them for a couple of months after which retest. And it’s actually so simple as, is it getting higher? Is it getting worse? Or is it staying the identical? And primarily based on that info, you may make further tweaks. In order that’s why I believe testing like that is so beneficial. And you are able to do all these exams for $99 and have loads of actually useful details about the place you stand. So these are the 5 that I believe are actually, actually crucial to know in each individual.

Katie: And I like this as a result of I say typically on right here, on the finish of the day, we’re every our personal major healthcare supplier, and we will work with medical doctors and practitioners, however that duty nonetheless lies inside us. And I really feel like instruments like this assist us to have higher information and higher entry in making choices which can be aligned in turning into our personal major healthcare supplier. And I believe, like I mentioned, this information is invaluable, and naturally, may be very far reaching. Such as you defined with the labs, these aren’t simply single markers that let you know one factor. These are very far-ranging and may give you perception into plenty of issues occurring inside your physique. And I do know lots of our listeners are ladies and mothers particularly. And I do know that one other space this may present up is within the hormone realm, that there might be an impression with metabolic dysfunction and hormone regulation. And definitely, that may be relevant in instances like being pregnant and postpartum, but additionally, for many individuals listening, the perimenopause and menopause age is an enormous space of shift. And as you talked about these biomarkers, I do know, as an example, that girls’s heart problems danger rises once they undergo menopause and that lots of these shifts can result in different issues within the physique as nicely. So, I’d love to talk for a minute to the hormone facet of that and the way these markers come into play with fertility, with hormones, and the way, after all, that pertains to how we feel and look as nicely.

Casey: Completely. Yeah, I believe that it’s so wonderful. You simply alluded to this truth about that heart problems goes up for ladies after menopause. And I believe that that is one other one of many greatest blind spots in medication. Coronary heart illness is the primary killer for ladies in the USA, and it’s a metabolic illness. You understand, ladies are going to, after menopause, ladies principally begin to outpace males on loads of the metabolic illnesses. In order that’s like weight problems, kind 2 diabetes, coronary heart illness, and Alzheimer’s dementia. And but, this isn’t a phrase or a subject that will get introduced up in these medical doctors’ appointments round menopause, and even within the 30s and 40s if you’re making ready for this time, when estrogen goes to drop, and that’s going to place you at a lot greater metabolic danger. And so, I’m simply so grateful for platforms like yours which can be speaking about loads of these items as a result of we’re simply not getting it from the mainstream.

So, beginning, let’s say, within the 20s and 30s within the fertility dialog, it’s so unimaginable how a lot it’s linked to metabolic well being. The main reason behind infertility in the USA is polycystic ovarian syndrome. And polycystic ovarian syndrome, what we perceive is that it’s very a lot rooted in metabolic dysfunction. It really, the NIH in 2012 was going to alter the identify of PCOS to multi-system, a multi-system metabolic endocrine dysfunction. And so they didn’t change it. And I believe it really would have been optimistic to alter the identify as a result of not many individuals like polycystic ovarian syndrome, it’s arduous to know what meaning. However, like actually calling it what it’s, which is sort of a metabolic hormonal dysfunction, like actually helps folks work out like the place they should method. So, when insulin ranges are excessive within the physique, and we’ll speak about why it will be due to insulin resistance, that insulin really indicators a cell within the ovary known as the theca cells of the ovary to provide extra testosterone. So, like androgens and what we usually consider as male hormones. And so, when insulin stimulates the ovary to provide extra testosterone, that basically disturbs the fragile stability between testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, all of the intercourse hormones which can be so finely tuned. So, this, after all, impacts menstruation, it impacts ovulation, it impacts loads of different issues within the physique too, like selling pimples and midline weight problems and hair progress, issues that you simply may what’s known as hirsutism, which is actually masculinizing options and issues like that.

So, there’s all these items that trickle down from basically hyperinsulinemia, excessive insulin ranges. So, there’s been some wonderful analysis that reveals that like 12-week interventions with ladies which can be principally centered on dietary and life-style interventions that target actually getting the insulin ranges down, so like actually top quality, low glycemic eating regimen patterns over the course of 12 weeks, can completely remodel the hormone stability. You get the insulin down, you get the stimulation of the testosterone down, and loads of the opposite hormones fall into place, signs decline, durations turn out to be extra common. So, there’s loads of hope right here, and the reason for the excessive insulin ranges in loads of these ladies, it’s multifactorial. There appears to be a genetic element, there’s simply dwelling in America, it places us in an uphill battle from the approach to life perspective due to the way in which that our meals tradition is, but it surely’s multifactorial, genetics, life-style, all these items, however no matter how a lot it’s weighted in direction of genetics or life-style or no matter, it nonetheless seems that these interventions centered on getting insulin ranges down actually, actually assist. In order that’s actually optimistic. However by some research, as much as 26% of girls globally of childbearing age are coping with PCOS. So this isn’t a tiny challenge.

After which, as you get in direction of these perimenopausal years, there’s actually attention-grabbing analysis displaying that principally menopausal signs additionally correlate with metabolic dysfunction. So, menopausal signs like sizzling flashes at evening and sleep disturbances and loads of these items that basically impression high quality of life, temper. There’s been fairly a little bit of analysis displaying that these actually correlate in lockstep with diploma of basically blood sugar dysregulation. So, whether or not that’s a trigger or impact, it’s not absolutely understood just like the causality, however there appears to be a transparent pattern of the more serious the menopausal signs are, the more serious the metabolic well being is. And if we will maintain the blood sugar ranges down and maintain the metabolic well being in verify, the thought can be that this might doubtlessly presumably actually impression menopausal signs, though much more analysis must be finished with that. However, you realize, whether or not a blood sugar spike and crash can set off vasomotor signs like sizzling flash, like there’s some analysis to recommend that there could be a hyperlink there.

So definitely, any intervention centered on holding blood sugar in a decrease and more healthy vary, holding it extra secure, could possibly be a possible adjunctive modality to maintain these signs extra in verify. And Dr. Sara Gottfried wrote an incredible ebook known as Girls, Meals, and Hormones that talks lots about this and basically easy methods to actually prep for menopause by turning into as metabolically wholesome as potential to hopefully ease a number of the signs that may be so tough.

Girls after menopause, like we talked about earlier, form of go off a metabolic cliff. Estrogen tends to be protecting in relation to metabolic well being. And so, when that drops quickly, insulin resistance does go up. And so, I’m 36 now, and loads of how I take into consideration the following 10, 15 years for me is considering easy methods to basically get myself into the perfect form potential earlier than going into that transition as a result of it doesn’t matter what, regardless of who you’re, there’s going to be successful that occurs if you lose that estrogen. So meaning, ensuring my insulin sensitivity is basically good by means of eating regimen, by means of life-style. It means resistance coaching now as a result of we lose that muscle mass principally yearly beginning in our mid-30s, muscle mass naturally goes down. And muscle is one in all our most protecting issues towards principally metabolic dysfunction as a result of muscle is sort of a enormous blood sugar sink. It takes up and makes use of glucose, takes it out of the bloodstream. And so, it actually helps with insulin resistance. So, if there’s one factor I’d say to ladies listening who could be heading into that, it’s like, to begin with, get a full understanding of your metabolic well being, hopefully by means of blood biomarkers, by means of your physician or by means of a lab exterior of your physician, know the place you stand, be taught methods to get blood sugar beneath management, stabilize blood sugar, which we will definitely speak about. I do know we talked about lots in our first episode collectively. After which actually, begin constructing muscle so that you go into menopause with a very good armor on, that’s principally an enormous blood sugar-stabilizing armor. So, that’s one factor that I simply hear a lot with ladies. They’re figuring out 5 days per week, however they’re not really constructing that muscle. And I believe you may actually give it some thought as like a defend to buffer a number of the results of the dropping of estrogen in menopause. One of many ladies who’re, one of many specialists who actually will get into this so deeply is Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, who simply got here out with a ebook known as Endlessly Robust, all in regards to the energy of muscle. And even one thing we haven’t realized till lately is that muscle is definitely a hormone-secreting organ. So, muscle really secretes myokines, that are principally pro-metabolic anti-inflammatory hormones. And in order that’s only a actually highly effective device, resistance coaching, in direction of buffering out loads of this.

Katie: I’m an enormous fan of her work and her ebook as nicely. I believe for ladies, particularly, it’s such an necessary matter together with all of the issues we’re speaking about actually as a result of such as you mentioned, these impression all of us, however particularly ladies, now we have these different components to contemplate, particularly at totally different phases of life and hormones. And I really feel like we’ve made such an unimaginable, you might have, an unimaginable and powerful case for the significance of understanding this information and utilizing it in an actionable approach. So, I’d like to take a while to see, I do know you might have an enormous dataset of what are the patterns you’re seeing of impactful modifications folks could make, particularly as soon as they get this information and have entry to understanding what’s happening of their our bodies. Are there issues that appear usually and universally useful useful resource eating regimen or life-style modifications that individuals could make that may assist transfer issues in a optimistic path?

Casey: Undoubtedly. So, it’s humorous. I simply, I used to be telling you earlier than we began recording, like I simply completed my first ebook, which isn’t popping out for a very long time, however I’m sitting right here after ending the ebook and turning into my writer, and I’m like, it’s 380 pages, and there’s like hundreds of references. And I’m like, what, what’s the greatest takeaway from this ebook about metabolism and blood sugar? And I truthfully suppose one of many greatest takeaways other than the plain, which is, like, get the refined sugars and the ultra-processed grains out of the eating regimen, which principally turns straight to glucose within the bloodstream and eat extra complete meals, like that one, form of a given. However the second is like, strolling might be probably the most highly effective superpower that now we have for metabolic well being, and we simply don’t emphasize it sufficient. And that to me, prefer it’s simply studying all these papers, taking a look at all this analysis, taking a look at all our ranges information. We should be strolling a lot extra as a tradition. So now, the common American is strolling about 4,000 steps a day, which is about two miles. And if you have a look at like trendy hunter-gatherer tribes, they’re strolling like 20,000 steps a day. So, like actually 5 instances extra. And what’s attention-grabbing is that strolling, though it’s simple and it virtually looks as if, how might that be so highly effective? Mainly, the way in which I give it some thought is if you happen to’re even strolling 10 toes, you’re activating virtually each main muscle group in your physique. You’re swinging your arms, you’re utilizing your legs, you’re utilizing the massive muscle groups of your legs, and even utilizing them at that basically low depth, it’s inflicting all these pathways inside these muscle cells to turn out to be activated. And so, there’s all these cell signaling pathways that basically carry glucose channels from the within of the cell to the cell membrane if the muscle is activated in any respect. And so, somebody who sits for three-hour stretches, which is loads of us, I imply, like, and doesn’t actually stand up or ever use that muscle, their glucose channels are simply going to be sitting contained in the cell inactive, and people cells will not be going to be taking over glucose. However if you happen to stand up and stroll for one minute each hour, you’re bringing these glucose channels to the cell membrane to take up glucose and use it. So, somebody who’s shifting even for one minute, each half-hour, each hour, their physique all day is principally bringing these receptors to the membrane to carry glucose out of the bloodstream. Now examine that to somebody who sits for like three-, four-hour chunks, perhaps will get as much as go to the make a lunch, will get as much as go to the toilet each few hours, however in any other case they’re simply sitting at their laptop. That individual, their cells simply aren’t getting primed to take up glucose. And in order that glucose goes to remain within the bloodstream, it’s going to be extra erratic. And let’s say that individual even goes and does a exercise within the night after work. So, they’ve sat most all of the day, they usually work out for 35 minutes for an hour or no matter. That’s nice, but it surely doesn’t change the truth that throughout that whole remainder of the day, inside their cells, their glucose channels weren’t lively. So, we actually must flip the script from this idea of like exercising is the reply to really common low-grade motion is a big a part of the reply. Trigger it creates a very totally different physiology within the physique all through the day.

So, a little bit like psychological picture, I need folks to essentially ingrain is that by setting an alarm in your iPhone each half-hour to stand up and do 5 air squats or to stroll round your condominium or stroll across the perimeter of your home or stroll as soon as across the block. It’s not only for the sake of getting steps. It’s for the sake of actually giving your physique an lively sign to alter the cell signaling pathway, to carry glucose receptors, glucose channels to the cell membrane and maintain your physique on this constitutively lively state of metabolism and glucose uptake. Exercising for an hour on the finish of the day is just not going to mitigate the results of sitting all day. And so, yeah, it’s simply each time you progress these muscle groups, it’s actually sending a special sign to your physique. The analysis is fairly profound. Like if you happen to, we speak lots about 10,000 steps, however really, loads of the analysis I checked out for the ebook, the actual magic quantity seems to be 8,000 steps, and 10,000 is nice, and also you may get some marginal profit, however someplace between the 8,000 to 12,000 steps is principally sufficient to scale back your danger of coronary heart illness, kind 2 diabetes, weight problems, stroke, melancholy by about 50%. So, if you will get a wearable and simply affirm that you simply’re strolling at the least 8,000 steps a day, it’s principally equal to having the best medicine, like ever invented for any illness by way of prevention. Prefer it’s really a lot, way more efficient. We don’t have any drugs that cut back danger that a lot for these illnesses. So, it’s near a silver bullet.

One other idea, I really feel like I’ve been grappling with a little bit bit is that, you realize, is the idea actually of train virtually like distracting us from shifting extra all through the day? We expect that the idea of train is this concept that you’ve this factor in your to-do record, and you must test it out off on daily basis, and that can make you more healthy. And sure, train is nice. However America spends extra on train than every other nation on the planet, and we’re among the many heaviest and getting sicker. The typical American family spends $2,000 a yr on well being and fitness-related bills, and that quantity goes up over time. We’ve extra gyms per capita than any nation in all the world, and we’re one of many sickest and heaviest nations on the planet. So, there’s some disconnect between the quantity we’re spending on health, the quantity of gyms now we have, the quantity of “train” we’re working in direction of, and our precise outcomes. And I believe that disconnect is the truth that we’ve overemphasized this idea of train, and we’ve under-emphasized the idea of simply shifting your physique extra recurrently.

And if you have a look at like Dan Buettner’s work within the blue zones, this is sensible. The populations which have probably the most centenarians, the individuals who stay to 100, are the populations who motion is simply inbuilt to their on a regular basis life. Whether or not it’s farming or strolling lengthy distances to get issues that they want for simply the day by day dwelling. And so, this creates an enormous problem for us as a result of now, in America, loads of us are data staff. We work at computer systems. That’s simply the truth. We’re not going to return and all turn out to be farmers, nor ought to we essentially. However what it does imply is we do should get very artistic about our day-to-day lives as a result of simply because we’re data staff doesn’t imply that we will really cease shifting if we need to keep wholesome. This may imply standing desk. This may imply treadmill desk. This may imply setting an alarm each half-hour in your telephone and doing these 5 pushups, 5 air squats, strolling round your home or condominium. This may imply having the default for all your calls be strolling conferences. It would imply rescheduling your subsequent few dinner dates or espresso dates to be strolling or mountaineering dates. It’s simply having to be actually daring and inventive to by some means construct motion into our day-to-day lives as computer-based data staff as a result of there’s actually no approach of getting round it. We both transfer or we get sick. And in order that’s an extended reply to your query. However we actually have to start out getting extra artistic about marrying the trendy world that we’re dwelling with, dwelling in with the truth of our biology, which is that low-grade motion all through the day is totally mandatory and unavoidable if you wish to be optimally wholesome. In order that’s a movement-focused one.

We already talked about resistance coaching, which I believe is one other factor, particularly for ladies. It’s like gotta incorporate it. I’ve so many conversations with folks, with Ranges members who say, “I’m caught, and I’m not getting the outcomes I need, and I’m doing every thing proper. I’m maintaining a healthy diet, I’m sleeping, I’m meditating, I’m figuring out 5 days per week.” And invariably, I say, “Are you resistance coaching?” And so they say, “No.” In order that’s an enormous one. We obtained to construct the muscle.

After which from the meals standpoint, I’d say, one of many greatest sensible takeaways that I’ve seen from our Ranges information, and, at this level, now we have over 500 million glucose information factors. We’ve had many tens of hundreds of individuals undergo this system and log their meals. And one of many greatest issues I’ve seen is that breakfast, basically breakfast, could make or break somebody’s day metabolically. So, if there’s one meal you’re going to give attention to enhancing for you and your youngsters and your loved ones, it’s breakfast. And the explanation I say it’s because what we see in our dataset is that a number of the easiest scoring issues on our dataset are breakfast, and a number of the very worst, like worse than dessert scoring issues that we see in our dataset are breakfast. And I’d assume that on each ends, folks suppose that they’re making wholesome selections. And so, as an example, on the unhealthy finish the place we see the most important glucose spikes, it’s issues like, it’ll be folks consuming issues like granola or immediate oatmeal or a chunk of complete grain toast. We all know that pastries, like donuts and bagels and muffins, that these are going to be unhealthy, and people are definitely within the excessive glucose spike class. However a few of these extra seemingly benign meals like toast or oatmeal or some cereals that could be low-fat or may appear wholesome like granola. A few of the greatest spikes we see in our dataset are these.

And so, you then’ve obtained on the opposite facet, you’ve obtained some breakfasts that don’t trigger just about any glucose spikes. So, these are issues we see like eggs and avocado, eggs and greens, even eggs and bacon, or eggs and floor beef, frittata, chia pudding. We get lots of people who log what’s known as the fab for smoothie, which is the smoothie recipe that Kelly LeVeque, superstar nutritionist Kelly LeVeque, popularized. She’s one in all our advisors. And it’s wonderful to see how many individuals log that smoothie, however principally, it’s like a really well-balanced smoothie of protein, fats, fiber, and greens and really low glycemic. That scores very well. So, I believe the takeaway for me is that, basically like, eliminating these meals which have the refined grains or any processed grains in them, cereals, toast, bagels, clearly pastries, muffins, croissants, issues like that. Simply these have a tendency to only actually, actually crush folks. Persist with the protein and fat-forward, fiber-forward breakfast. As a result of if you begin your day with a extra secure glucose, what we see is that individuals are likely to maintain the glucose extra secure all through the remainder of the day. And a part of this is because of the truth that when you’ve got an enormous glucose spike first within the morning, typically what’s going to occur is that you simply spike and you then crash. And if you crash, that’s typically when folks mid-morning really feel drained and like they want one other cup of espresso they usually may really feel cravings, they want a little bit snack, may even really feel some anxiousness. That’s what occurs when you might have a glucose crash, and people crashes occur usually after a spike. You don’t have a crash after you might have like a low, when you’ve got a low glucose elevation after a meal, you normally gained’t crash, it’ll simply be extra secure. However an enormous spike normally get an enormous crash. That crash is named reactive hypoglycemia. And there was a very attention-grabbing paper really in Nature Metabolism final yr, like premier medical journal, that confirmed that the extent of these post-meal crashes, reactive hypoglycemia was predictive of what number of carbohydrates folks would eat in that whole day and the way hungry they’d be that day. So principally, you spike your self and crash your self, you’re going to be craving extra carbs that day, you’re going to in all probability eat extra energy over the next 24-hour durations. So, if you happen to can stabilize your glucose for breakfast, you’re setting your self up for like a 24 hours of success and fewer craving. So yeah, simply actually getting the refined grain breakfasts out of the rotation, I believe, is likely one of the very best issues you are able to do to start out your morning sturdy, maintain your vitality secure, and cut back your cravings all through the remainder of the day.

Katie: These are such superior suggestions. I used to be taking notes as you had been talking, and I do know that by means of Ranges, you guys have a selected supply to assist folks be capable to take all that information into consideration as nicely. In order that can be linked within the present notes for you guys listening on the go, that’s, (e mail protected).

And I really feel like we by no means have sufficient time after we get to speak since you’re such a wealth of information, and we might chat all day lengthy. So maybe we will do one other spherical typically as nicely. However this has been so useful and so actionable. And I like how deep and particular you bought to go on all these totally different matters that I believe actually might be impactful for everybody listening. So, Casey, thanks a lot to your time. This has been such a pleasure, and I’m so grateful that you simply had been right here.

Casey: Oh, it’s completely my pleasure. And as we had been chatting, I spotted that for a number of the biomarkers, I gave optimum ranges, and for some, I didn’t. So, I’ll be certain to ship you the record of all of the optimum ranges for all of the exams that I discussed. And perhaps these might be within the present notes, however like uric acid and whatnot and all these. So, need to be certain folks have these, however I’ll observe up with all of these for you.

Katie: That sounds good. And I’ll be certain in addition to hyperlinks too. I do know you guys have an amazing quantity of instructional materials on all of this for folks to continue learning and that you simply launch loads of content material round it as nicely. So, all of these hyperlinks can be within the present notes, however I’m deeply grateful to your time. Thanks a lot for being right here in the present day.

Casey: Thanks, Katie.

Katie: And thanks as all the time to you for listening and sharing your most useful assets, your time, your vitality, and your consideration with us in the present day. We’re each so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of the The Wellness Mama Podcast.

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